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Mormon Bishop Mitt Romney’s Anti-Christian Religion

13 Apr Posted by in Commentary | 23 comments
Mitt Romney Holds Town Hall Meeting

Many naive Americans believe that Mormonism is merely another branch of protestant Christianity. Well that’s not what the founders and leaders of Mormonism believed.

According to its founder, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young, Smith’s successor, Mormons are the only true people of God on the earth. All non-Mormons and their religions are “wrong, an abomination, blind, damned, of the devil, whores, not Christians, groveling in darkness, heathens, ignorant, devoid of fact, pagan and hatched in Hell.”

When Romney made a speech about his religion in 2008 he refused to distance himself from his faith and fully affirmed his Mormonism. Responding to critics, Romney said,

“They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it is more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs.”

Romney, the father of homosexual marriage in America and abortion funding Romney Care in Massachusetts, flip-flops on virtually every issue, but he is adamant about his anti-Christian Mormonism. Romney needs the vote of Christians to win election, but he refuses to “disavow one or another of its precepts.”

Nor can anyone think Romney is merely a casual or cultural Mormon who just happened to be born Mormon. He is an active Bishop in the Mormon church hierarchy. He cannot pretend to be ignorant of the teaching of Joseph Smith and the other “prophets” of Mormonism.

Below is a list of quotes from Mormon leaders and official publications starting with Joseph Smith down to our day. The message is consistent and clear.

WARNING: Beware the deceitful tactic of Mormons when they say they don’t criticize other churches or religions. You may want to keep this list handy next time the Mormons come knocking at your door.

Joseph Smith (Mormonism’s founder)*

Joseph Smith claimed that he had seen both God the Father and Jesus Christ and asked these personages which church he should join. He claimed he was told to join none of them, “for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight” (Joseph Smith History 1:19).

When asked “Will all be damned but Mormons?” Smith replied, “Yes, and a great portion of them unless they repent and work righteousness” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, pg. 119).

“Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth” (Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 14:10).

The Doctrine and Covenants (1:30) leaves no doubt to the Mormon teaching of exclusivity when it says the LDS church is, “the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased ….”

Brigham Young (Mormonism’s Second President)

“Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity” (Journal of Discourses 10:230).

“When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness” (Journal of Discourses 5:73).

“The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God” (Journal of Discourses 8:171).

“With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world” (Journal of Discourses 8:199).

“The religion of God embraces every fact that exists in all the wide arena of nature, while the religions of men consist of theory devoid of fact, or of any true principle of guidance; hence the professing Christian world are like a ship upon a boisterous ocean without rudder, compass, or pilot, and are tossed hither and thither by every wind of doctrine” (Journal of Discourses 10:265).

“… the time came when Paganism was engrafted into Christianity, and at last Christianity was converted into Paganism rather than converting the Pagans” (Journal of Discourses 22:44).

“Brother Taylor has just said that the religions of the day were hatched in hell. The eggs were laid in hell, hatched on its borders, and kicked on to the earth” (Journal of Discourses 6:176).

John Taylor (Mormonism’s 3rd President)

“We talk about Christianity, but it is a perfect pack of nonsense …the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century” (Journal of Discourses 6:167).

“What! Are Christians ignorant? Yes, as ignorant of the things of God as the brute beast.” (Journal of Discourses 6:25).

“What does the Christian world know about God? Nothing …Why so far as the things of God are concerned, they are the veriest of fools; they know neither God nor the things of God” (Journal of Discourses 13:225).

“And who is there that acknowledges [God’s] hand? …You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (Journal of Discourses 6:24).

Daniel H. Wells (Mormon Apostle)

“The whole system of Christianity is a failure so far as stemming the tide of wickedness and corruption is concerned, or turning men from their evil ways to living lives of righteousness before God our Heavenly Father. I would rather preach the Gospel to a people who have not got any religion than I would to a people who have got a great deal of religion. You take the Catholic world. What impression can the truths of the Gospel make upon them as a people? Scarcely any impression at all. Why? Because they are satisfied with what they have got, which we know is an error, and which is not calculated to stem the tide of wickedness and corruption which floods the world. It never will convert the world to God or His Kingdom, or convey a knowledge of God unto the children of men, and it is life eternal to know Him, the living and true God. The Christianity of the period will never make the people acquainted with God in the world. It will never bring them to eternal life as spoken of in the Scriptures. It is an utter impossibility. In the first place they do not know anything about God, and in the second place, they apparently don’t want to know anything about Him. They have reared a superstructure in the earth which is false. It is and has been a tremendous imposture to the children of men. Some have come out of it, to a certain extent, seeing its incongruity, and yet they have floundered in the dark, not knowing what was right; not having that knowledge of God which is necessary to obtain eternal life, they have been tossed to and fro and carried about by every wind of doctrine, without being able to find the truth. Many who have thus been foundering are honest people; but the so-called system of Christianity is not only an error and a snare, but is a monstrous iniquity fastened upon the children of men throughout the earth. No wonder that people become infidel. The inconsistent and incongruous nature of the system is enough to make any being who reasons infidel. It was time the truth should be revealed; it was time for the Lord to restore the everlasting Gospel, for men were blind. Darkness covered the earth, even gross darkness the minds of the people in regard to religious subjects. Perhaps a darker time was never known since the earth began its revolutions around the sun. From what I have read and from what experience I have had in life, and the intelligence I possess, I make bold to give my testimony that the darkest period the world ever saw was when this work first commenced, when it was made known from heaven to Joseph Smith. It was no darker here, perhaps, than in any other part of the world; but it was just as dark in Christian countries as in any Pagan country, so far as true religion and the light of heaven were concerned” (Journal of Discourses 24:321-322).

Orson Pratt (Mormon Apostle)

“Q. After the Church of Christ fled from the earth to heaven, what was left?

“A. A set of wicked Apostates, murderers, and idolaters, who …left to follow the wicked imaginations of their own corrupt hearts, and to build up churches by human authority…” (The Seer, pg.205).

“The sooner the present generation loses all reverence and respect for modern ‘Christianity,’ with all its powerless forms and solemn mockeries, the sooner they will be prepared to receive the kingdom of God” (Parley P. Pratt, The Key to the Science of Theology, 1978, p.68).

“…all other churches are entirely destitute of all authority from God; and any person who receives Baptism or the Lord’s supper from their hands highly offend God, for he looks upon them as the most corrupt of all people …The only persons among all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people who have authority from Jesus Christ to administer any gospel ordinance are those called and authorized among the Latter-day Saints” (The Seer, pg. 255).

“This class of men, calling themselves Christian, uniting with the various forms of the pagan religion, adopting many of their ceremonies and institutions, became very popular, and finally some of the pagans embraced Christianity and were placed, as it were, upon the throne, and what they termed Christianity became very popular indeed. How long has this order of things existed, this dreadful apostasy, this class of people that pronounced themselves Zion, or Christians, without any of the characteristics of Zion? It has existed for some sixteen or seventeen centuries. It has spread itself and grown and gone into the four quarters of the earth. It is the great ecclesiastical power that is spoken of by the revelator John, and called by him the most corrupt and most wicked of all the powers of the earth, under the name of spiritual Babylon, or in other words Babel, which signifies confusion. This great and corrupt power is also represented by John as presenting a golden cup to the nations, full of all manner of filthiness and abominations” (Journal of Discourses 14:346).

“This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now” (Journal of Discourses 18:44).

“But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be …But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance, and they are represented in the revelations of St. John as a woman sitting upon a scarlet colored beast, having a golden cup in her hand, full of filthiness and abominations, full of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; that in her forehead there was a name written – `Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots'” (Journal of Discourses 18:172).

“Who is Babylon? I have already explained that Babylon is a great power that should be in the earth under the name of a church, a woman – that generally represents a church – full of blasphemy …These churches are scattered over the wide face of the earth, and this is called Babylon. Another angel is to follow the one that brings the Gospel, after it has been sufficiently preached, and proclaim the downfall of this great and corrupt power in the earth” (Journal of Discourses 18:179).

“The worshipers of Baal were far more consistent than apostate Christendom; for they had a faint hope that Baal would hear and answer them; but modern divines have no expectation that their God will say anything to them or to their followers. Baal’s followers cried from morning until evening for him to give unto them a miraculous manifestation, in the presence of Elijah; but to even expect a supernatural manifestation or revelation now is considered, by modern religionists, as the greatest absurdity. Baal’s worshipers, therefore, with all their absurdities, approached nearer the religion of heaven, in some of their expectations, than those who falsely call themselves Christians” (Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, No. 1 (1850), pp.12-13).

“We have already proved in the previous numbers of this series that immediately after the first century the whole earth became corrupted by the great “Mother of Harlots,” that apostasy and wickedness succeeded Christianity, that for the want of new revelation, all legal succession to the apostleship was discontinued that the gifts and powers of the Holy Spirit ceased and that the Church was no longer to be found on the earth: this being the case, all nations must have been destitute of the everlasting gospel for many generations – not destitute of its history as it was once preached and enjoyed but destitute of its blessings, of its powers, of its gifts, of its priesthood, of its ordinances administered by legal authority” (Divine Authenticity of the Book of Mormon, No.6 (1851), pg.82).

Heber C. Kimball (First Counselor to Brigham Young)

“Christians – those poor, miserable priests Brother Brigham was speaking about – some of them are the biggest whoremasters there are on the earth …” (Journal of Discourses 5:89).

George Q. Cannon (Counselor to presidents Young, Taylor, Woodruff and Snow)

“I do not wish to say anything in relation to other forms of religion; I do not know that it is necessary that I should do so; but no thinking man can admit that Christianity so-called – I call it a false Christianity, untrue to its name – satisfies the wants of humanity at the present time. It is not a religion that satisfies” (Journal of Discourses 24:185).

“After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon” (Gospel Truth, pg.324).

Wilford Woodruff (4th LDS President)

“I said then, and I say now, may the Lord give me such periods of darkness as were enjoyed by the Apostles and Saints of old, in preference to the Gospel blaze of modern Christianity. The ancient doctrine and power will unlock the mysteries of heaven, and pour forth that Gospel light, knowledge, and truth, of which the heavens are full, and which has been poured out in every generation when Prophets appeared among the children of men. But the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called” (Journal of Discourses 2:196).

Erastus Snow (LDS Apostle)

“There is a theory in the human mind – I will say with a certain school of modern philosophers – to satisfy themselves and justify their infidelity; the bent and tendency of their inclinations is that way. But it is probable that the crude, undefined devices and erroneous notions and ideas of modern Christianity touching the Deity leads to this infidelity, as much as anything else. The advocates of Christianity are in a great measure to blame. When we begin to scan the teachings and enquire into the views of the leading divines of modern times, and examine their articles of faith and their discipline, the teachings of different Christian denominations on the subject of the Deity, we do not wonder that the reflecting, careful thinker, should repudiate their crude notions” (Journal of Discourses 19:268).

B.H. Roberts (LDS Seventy and Historian)

“Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints” (Introduction to the History of the Church 1:XL).

“This view of God as an incorporeal, immaterial, bodiless, partless, passionless being is now and has been from the days of the great apostasy from God and Christ, in the second and third centuries, the doctrine of Deity generally accepted by apostate Christendom. The simple doctrine of the Christian Godhead, set forth in the New Testament is corrupted by the meaningless jargon of these creeds, and their explanations; and the learned who profess a belief in them are wandering in the darkness of the mysticisms of the old pagan philosophies” (History of the Church, 1:LXXXV).

Parley P. Pratt (Mormon Apostle)

“The false and corrupt institutions, and still more corrupt practices of `Christendom,’ have had a downward tendency in the generations of man for many centuries …The overthrow of those ancient degenerate races is a type of that which now awaits the nations called `Christian,’ or in other words, `the great whore that sitteth upon many waters” (Key to the Science of Theology, 1978 ed., pg.106).

James Talmage ( LDS Apostle)

“A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ …From the facts already stated it is evident that the Church was literally driven from the earth; in the first ten centuries immediately following the ministry of Christ the authority of the Holy Priesthood was lost among men, and no human power could restore it” (The Articles of Faith, pp.200,203).

“The significance and importance of the great apostasy, as a condition precedent to the re-establishment of the Church in modern times, is obvious. If the alleged apostasy of the primitive Church was not a reality, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is not the divine institution its name proclaims” (The Great Apostasy, preface).

Joseph Fielding Smith (10th LDS President)

“For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation that was not, in the year 1820, so obscured by false tradition and ceremonies, borrowed from paganism, as to make it unrecognizable; or else it was entirely denied …Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the ‘Christian’ churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men” (Doctrines of Salvation 3:282).

Spencer W. Kimball (12th LDS President)

“This is the only true church …This is not a church. This is the Church of Jesus Christ. There are churches of men all over the land and they have great cathedrals, synagogues, and other houses of worship running into the hundreds of millions of dollars. They are churches of men. They teach the doctrines of men, combined with the philosophies and ethics and other ideas and ideals that men have partly developed and partly found in sacred places and interpreted for themselves” (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, pg.421).

“Presumptuous and blasphemous are they who purport to baptize, bless, marry, or perform other sacraments in the name of the Lord while in fact lacking the specific authorization” (The Miracle of Forgiveness, pg.55).

Bruce McConkie (Mormon Apostle)

“The traditions of the elders – as is also the case with the traditions of an apostate Christendom – are wholly devoid of the least scintilla of inspiration. They are, as Jesus said, ‘the commandments of men'” (The Mortal Messiah, Vol.2, FOOTNOTES, Pg.412).

“What of seventies? Who are they, and how do they fit into the eternal scheme of things? That their mission and ministry is unknown among the cults of Christendom is one of the great evidences of the apostate darkness that engulfs those who call themselves by the name of Him who called seventies to stand as especial witnesses of that very name” (The Mortal Messiah, 3:99-100).

“Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general. False churches, false prophets, false worship – breeding as they do a way of life that runs counter to the divine will – all these are signs of the times” (The Millennial Messiah, pg.403).

“What is the church of the devil in our day, and where is the seat of her power? …It is all of the systems, both Christian and non-Christian, that perverted the pure and perfect gospel …It is communism; it is Islam; it is Buddhism; it is modern Christianity in all its parts” (The Millennial Messiah, pp.54-55).

“As with other doctrines and ordinances, apostate substitutes of the real thing are found both among pagans and supposed Christians” (Mormon Doctrine, pg.72).

“When inquiring and scientific minds delve into the narrow and bigoted creeds of the apostate sects of Christendom it is not surprising that they rebel against those dogmas falsely set forth as the tenets of true religion” (Mormon Doctrine, pg.107).

“Christianity is the religion of the Christians. Hence, true and acceptable Christianity is found among the saints who have the fullness of the gospel, and a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom” (Mormon Doctrine, pg.132).

“The only real superiority of the apostate sects of Christendom over their more openly pagan counterparts is the fact that the Christian sects (though rejecting the doctrines, ordinances, and powers of the gospel) have nonetheless preserved many of the ethical teachings of Christ and the apostles” (Mormon Doctrine, pg.240).

“And virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit” (Mormon Doctrine, pg.269).

“Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era.” (Mormon Doctrine, pg.316).

“In large part the worship of apostate Christendom is performed in ignorance, as much so as was the worship of the Athenians who bowed before the Unknown God, and to whom Paul said: “Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you” (Mormon Doctrine, pg. 374).

“For instance: The creeds of apostate Christendom teach untruths about God, and the scriptures say that those who accept these creeds ‘have inherited lies.’ (Jer. 16:16-21.) Those who accept any of the doctrines of the apostate churches are said to ‘believe a lie.’ (2 Thess. 2:1-12.) The process of apostasy consists in changing ‘the truth of God into a lie.'” (Mormon Doctrine pg. 440).

“Pagan tribal gods were the creation of the imaginations of apostate peoples, just as the creeds and apostate views of God which prevail in modern Christendom are the result of forsaking the truth” (Mormon Doctrine, pg. 511).

“Mormonism is Christianity; Christianity is Mormonism; they are one and the same, and they are not to be distinguished from each other in the minutest detail …Mormons are true Christians; their worship is the pure, unadulterated Christianity authored by Christ and accepted by Peter, James, and John and all the ancient saints” (Mormon Doctrine, pg.513).
“The gods of Christendom, for instance, are gods who were created by men in the creeds of an apostate people. There is little profit or peace in serving them, and certainly there is no salvation available through them” (A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, pg.545).


“To say that Satan sits in the place of God in Christianity after the time of the Apostles is not to say that all that is in it is satanic…Still, ‘the power of God unto salvation’ (Rom. 1:16) is absent from all but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which the Lord himself has proclaimed to be ‘the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth (D&C 1:30). Satan’s goal of hindering many of God’s children from returning to their Father’s glory is thus realized.” (BYU Professor Kent P. Jackson, “Early Signs of the Apostasy,” Ensign, December 1984, p. 9)

“The period of time when the true Church no longer existed on earth is called the Great Apostasy. Soon pagan beliefs dominated the thinking of those called Christians. The Roman emperor adopted this false Christianity as the state religion. The church was very different from the Church Jesus organized. It taught that God was a being without substance” (Correlated LDS manual Gospel Principles, 2009, p.92).

*Special thanks to our Advisory Board Member, Bill McKeever, of Mormonism Research Ministries, for compiling this list.

  1. Manavi04-14-12

    Why is it that there are so many Christian sects? Shouldn’t be there only one true church of Christ? Shouldn’t all Christian sects have uniform beliefs and ideals to reflect the only truth of Christ? Hence if these are not found among the Christians sects than they do not belong to the Church of God.

    • Rachel04-16-12

      There are many sects because we people / human. Want something messed up – let man or woman get invovle. We’re flawed people. That’s why we need a Savior. There is no PERFECT person but I’ll tell you like I told people in 2008. If it were Donald Duck vs. Obama – I would vote for Donald! And now this country is beginning to see Obama for his true colors and not this Hope & Change

  2. Linda04-16-12

    You are absolutely correct. These people have an outward appearance of morality, but inward lurks darkness and depravity. They are closely related to Freemasonry, and the devil is at the core of both. Ron Paul is the only born again believer in the whole lot of Presidential candidates. He is not Jesus Christ, he is not a savior of any kind- but he does believe in liberty and freedom, which is what our Christian founders believed. The choice is either Mitt Romney, or Ron Paul- Gingrich is a moot point- he is cash poor, so there is very little left for him to work with, plus he is a Catholic. You know Obama is an abomination. Those who believe that Ron Paul is the choice for President will not vote for Romney. I think the Republican constituancy knows what they ought to do. I hope that they will.

    • Rachel04-16-12

      Hello – Ron Paul isn’t in the ball park. There is no way Mr. Paul will become the nominee. Mitt is our option not unless people like this Christian Anti-Defam – which is a joke after reading this last article – is now promotion Mr. Obama – which it sounds like this Defense Fund is now doing. They are endorsing Obama – who by the way – says he’s a Christian. Very sad day in America when Christians go after their own kind and side with a hater of Jesus Christ.

  3. Rachel04-16-12

    Shame on you! I don’t want a conservative right wing leader like Santorium. We need a leader who will bring the country together and not divide and push through their agendas like Obama. Are you advocating that we vote Obama in again? because that’s the only choice we have now. It’s either Romney or Obama.

    Regardless of his doctrine, which I don’t agree with, it’s about supporting the person who will be against Obama. You’ll find most conservatives don’t agree with you and your attack on Mitt. Shame on you and your office for allowing this ugly attack on Mitt. Next you’ll be asking us to vote Democrat or for Newt who is full of hate?

    • Gabriel05-19-12

      Will evangelicals vote for a man who is a Bishop in a cult religion that clearly teaches abominable doctrine thats heretical in nature? Bishop Mitt Romney has “no apologies” for his religious beliefs. The topic hasn’t been even mentioned yet, but it will. Romney will have to answer the tough question. Is he a beleiver and follower of Joseph Smith?.. his great “prophet”?

  4. Mark Steiner04-16-12

    Few in the Church know of the devilish association between Mormonism, Freemasonry and Islam. Google this sometime and see what you get. Meanwhile do we have anyone to vote for in good Biblical conscience? Usually there is one born-again candidate who has no hope of winning. Then again, through this ordeal, the greatest enemy is not Obama or Romney but rather the undiscerning American voter who often votes because he expects something from Uncle Sam (entitlements). Both Obama and Romney will pander to these voters. No matter who wins, we lose. Good day.

  5. Brian Richard Allen04-16-12

    …. Mormonism is closely related to Freemasonry — and the Devil is at the core of both ….

    While Mormonism is at the very least heretical and, like islam, both denies the Christ’s divinity and claims to be a “religion,” Freemasonry, whose primary purpose is to make Good Men better and to do works of charity absolutely anonymously, is but a Fraternity whose adherents must believe in God but may be of any faith — but may not be of no faith.

    If you’re happy to ignore the admonition all comparisons are odious and must compare Mormonism with something, try comparing it with islam. The closeness of islam’s and Mormonism’s attitudes to Judeo-Christianity and repudiation of Christ’s divinity might just surprise.

    Brian Richard Allen 32°

    • Shaun Tyndale-Biscoe04-17-12

      Dear Brian,

      This was sent to another ill-informed fellow Christian,but it has relevance to you and others who have made no attempt to examine the doctrine of a truly Christian people. Hope it helps, and also leaves other posters on this site better informed.

      I was disappointed, as a theologically curious 1979 ex-Anglican convert to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, to read your no doubt sincere, presumably well meant, but misguided, and regrettably unChristian-spirited attack on the theology of a fellow Church which is, by any objective academic and practical definition, profoundly Christian, and upon careful and prayerful examination turns out to be simply what it claims to be – the restoration of the Church of Jesus Christ established in the meridian of time, before centuries of apostasy engulfed Christianity and made it a corrupt power, worthy more of the fuzzier ‘Christendom’. The Saviour, Peter, Paul, and others, saw it all coming, as the New Testament clearly attests.

      On closer and fair-minded consideration it becomes clear that the theology of the aptly named Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Latter Day Saints, for those who don’t know, means followers of Christ living in this era rather than at the time of Christ – otherwise believing neither more nor less than the 1st century Christians believed)is in fact extremely credible. Unfortunately, that of the creeds of Christendom, a Greek philosopher’s delight, based in large part on the confused and corrupt theology of such gnostic-laden Councils as Nicea and Chalcedon is, as attested by numerous non-LDS and LDS scholars, a mixture of truth and, sadly, much falsehood. No wonder Christendom has exhibited such a long and painful history. It has all to often had far too little to do with true Christianity (also branded a ‘cult’ in its day, by the way, and still is, by any objective modern definition) of Christ and His apostles.

      As Robert Starling (below) notes, it generally takes a few hundred years for the longer established churches to stop calling the newer ones ‘cults’. Perjorative labels, have, thank goodness, a shelf life of no more than that length of time – age bestows respectability – unless the apologists for the name callers decide to carefully and humbly examine their own theology and history, which then leads to a willingness to allow the ‘cult’ to less glacially paced recognition as a fellow Christian Church. After all, members of the Protestant denominations soon discover, on enquiry, that their own churches had to endure all-too-often bigoted branding as ‘cults’ at the hands of fellow patronising and persecuting Christians from churches with a longer(and generally less noble) history, not many centuries back. Should people in glass houses be throwing stones…what did the Saviour teach us about beams and motes?!

      Ironically one of the tests of how truly Christian members of a denomination are can be seen in how they treat (e.g. respect, no name- calling) their fellow Christians. While I recognise, as do serious scholars the world over, that there are all kinds of theological difficulties in the traditions of most of our fellow Christian Churches, I would not for a moment refuse the right of my fellow sincere Christians to call themselves Christian. To do so would be a travesty of justice and truth and displeasing to God. How dare I tell a sincere fellow Christian that he is most definitely not a Christian, because the theological traditions in his Church, however perfect or imperfect, differ from mine, however perfect or imperfect they too may be? Yet, tellingly, it tends to be some of those same Christians – alas, generally, it appears, some Evangelicals, (some of whom make a living out of name calling)- who would resolutely deny some of their fellow Christians that same privilege, and in so doing behave in an unChristian-spirited and theologically untenable manner.

      It would be easy to answer and cause any fair minded thinker serious pause for reflection on all of your aspersions point by point, but nearly all of the more important issues are impressively considered by Stephen Robinson in his classic ‘Are Mormons Christians?’ to which I would recommend you as one who is, I would like to hope, a sincere seeker of truth and fairness.

      Robinson, BTW, points out that, as you rightly accept, the red herring ‘Adam-God’ theory is not part of approved LDS doctrine (see ‘Standard Works’. Further, it never been taught by any Church leader except (fleetingly) by Brigham Young and is puzzlingly inconsistent with all other statements on the subject by Brigham Young. Hence, Robinson notes it rightly belongs to the curious corner of theological ‘anomalies’ – all other Churches being full of their own anomalies too, as you will readily appreciate. Scholars simply cannot account for it – all attempts to explain it, including that he may have been misquoted, being unproven and inconclusive. Yet, such is the weakness of the argument of less knowledgeable evangelicals against LDS theology, it, with similar out-of-context attempts, remains a favourite stick with which to divert the sincere student of LDS teachings away from the clear and voluminous LDS doctrinal cannon and instead beat the allegedly misguided Latter Day Saints.

      If we are to compare branches of Christendom and Christianity, the fairest way, as the late great Lutheran Bishop of Stockholm and Dean of Divinity at Harvard, Krister Stendahl, perceptively noted, is to compare the ‘best’, not the alleged ‘worst’ that each denomination has to offer. On that basis he was naturally full of what he calls ‘holy envy’ for the supernally ‘beautiful’ LDS practice of vicarious baptism for the dead (a common early Christian practice: e.g. Dead Sea Scrolls and 1 Cor. 15:29). Not surprisingly, the good Bishop was instrumental at calming and educating the Swedish public in the face of misguided protests at the building of the LDS Temple in Stockholm. Knowledge, it seems, like travel, is fatal to prejudice!

      For further insights as to what is a ‘Christian’ I refer you to Robert Starling, below:

      Dear Friends and Family,

      After listening to several of our LDS General Authorities in recent years talk about how members should reach out over the web to share our testimonies and to speak up when critics attack our faith, I was impressed to respond to the recent comments by Dr. Robert Jeffress, pastor of the First Baptist Church in Dallas, TX. I felt that with the research I’ve done and the experiences I’ve had in the past perhaps I could provide some information that, while it may not change Pastor Jeffress’s mind, it would at least leave him without the excuse of ignorance in his future comments.

      And perhaps it might provide the members of his staff with something to think about, as well.

      I hope this is useful for you, too.


      Robert Starling
      CEO Trefoil Productions LLC
      12242 S. 1740 W.
      Riverton, UT 84065
      cell: (801) 824-2843

      Dear Staff Members at First Baptist Dallas, October 14, 2011
      I’ve tried unsuccessfully to find an email address for Dr. Robert Jeffress, so I’m sending this to all of the members on the First Baptist Dallas staff that I found listed on your website. I hope that at least one of you will forward this on to Pastor Jeffress because I feel it’s important that he have the opportunity to read and understand it.

      = = =

      Dear Pastor Jeffress,

      I’m just one of the millions of people who saw and heard on TV news shows your statements that “Mormonism is a cult” and “not a part of orthodox Christianity”. As a faithful lifelong member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints I felt a strong reaction to those statements, as you might imagine. My remarks here are only my personal thoughts, but I assure you they are heartfelt.

      My reaction was twofold. First, I saw your remarks as an unfortunate “below-the-belt” swipe at Mitt Romney in the hopes of advancing your own favorite political candidate. While you certainly have the right to do that, I think many Americans join me in feeling that such a move was beneath a prominent religious leader such as yourself.

      Second, as a devoted believer and follower of Jesus Christ I was saddened that you felt the need to speak out against my faith and beliefs. I’m sure there are those who think it was done with malice, but I’ll try to do the Christ-like thing and give you the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps you’ve just been misinformed about “Mormonism” as many others have been.

      But it might surprise you to learn that I actually agree with part of what you said, although perhaps for different reasons than you might imagine.

      You said that Mitt Romney is “not a Christian” (and by association myself and the other six million-plus Americans who are Latter-day Saints). But I believe you need to be more specific. There are many different kinds or “flavors” of Christians. I agree that the LDS people are not Baptist Christians or Evangelical Christians or Catholic Christians, etc. I will even agree that we’re not part of “orthodox” or “traditional” flavor of Christianity, if by that you mean the post-Nicene church that became the “universal” or “catholic” version of Christendom.

      I believe my faith to be the original church of the Corinthians, the Ephesians, and yes, those who were first called Christians in Antioch — that same church now restored in these latter days. So I call myself a “latter-day Christian”, with theological roots that precede the “historical” or “orthodox” version that was the product of the various councils and creeds. That “orthodoxy” eventually became so corrupt and so apostate that the Reformers broke away from it in protest of its having “fallen away” from Biblical truths (2 Thess. 2) and “changed the ordinances” (Isa. 24:5) so that the “faith once delivered to the saints” (Jude 1:3) was no longer recognizable as the church that Jesus organized.

      There were many enlightened Christian thinkers and theologians in history who, like Joseph Smith, believed that Christianity had become apostate and that a restoration of the New Testament church of Christ was necessary. John Wesley the founder of Methodism wrote:

      It does not appear that these extraordinary gifts of the Holy Ghost were common in the Church for more than two or three centuries. We seldom hear of them after that fatal period when the Emperor Constantine called himself a Christian; . . . From this time they almost totally ceased; . . . The Christians had no more of the Spirit of Christ than the other Heathens . . . . This was the real cause why the extraordinary gifts of the Holy Ghost were no longer to be found in the Christian Church; because the Christians were turned Heathens again, and had only a dead form left. (The Works of John Wesley, vol. 7, pp.26-27)

      As I’m sure you well know, John Smythe the founder of the Baptists first left his position as a Church of England minister and joined the Separatists, but then dissolved his congregation to re-form it as the first General Baptist church among English expatriates in Amsterdam in 1609. He felt that the “historic” or “orthodox” Christianity of his time had wandered astray, especially with regard to the apostate doctrine of infant baptism. Those first Baptists were considered a “cult” by many Protestants in the “traditional” Christian denominations that persecuted them unmercifully.

      Around 1640, Roger Williams of Providence, Rhode Island, founder of the first Baptist church in America refused to continue as pastor on the grounds that there was:

      … no regularly-constituted church on earth, nor any person authorized to administer any Church ordinance: nor could there be until new apostles are sent by the great Head of the Church, for whose coming, I am seeking. (Picturesque America, or the Land We Live In, ed. William Cullen Bryant, New York: D. Appleton and Co., 1872, vol. 1, p. 502.)

      If I understand your words correctly your definition of a Christian (and that of most Evangelicals) is a pretty narrow one, far different from the standard meaning found in most dictionaries. Personally, I think anyone who accepts Jesus Christ as the Only Begotten Son of God and as his/her personal Savior who died for our sins and was bodily resurrected on the third day is a Christian. C.S. Lewis described such people as “mere” Christians.

      But your narrow definition would exclude anyone who:
      Does not believe in a closed canon of the 66 books of the Protestant Bible.
      Does not accept the Nicene Creed as an accurate description of the nature of God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost.
      Believes in living prophets and apostles as the “foundation” of Christ’s earthly church.
      Believes in continuing revelation from God to man.
      I could go on. I’m very familiar with the standard arguments against “Mormonism”.

      But the Bible says that believers in Christ were first called Christians at Antioch (Acts 11:26). I would respectfully submit that those Christians:
      Did not believe in a closed canon of scripture. (some of the New Testament had not yet been written.)
      Did not accept the Nicene Creed as an accurate description of the nature of God the Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost. (it would not be written for 300 years)
      Believed in living apostles and prophets as the “foundation” of Christ’s earthly church.
      Believed in continuing revelation from God to man.
      So if you’re going to say that Mitt and I are not Christians based on those reasons, you’ll have to say that the believers in Antioch were not Christians either according to your definition.

      You said in your Hardball interview that “Mormonism” is a “cult” because:
      “Mormonism came 1800 years after Jesus Christ”
      “Mormonism has its own human leader, Joseph Smith”
      “it has its own set of doctrines”
      “it has its own religious book, The Book of Mormon, in addition to the Bible”
      Your exact following words were: “and so by that definition it is a theological cult”. You made a weak distinction between a theological cult and a sociological one, but most people will not even notice that fine differentiation. It was obvious to any sophisticated viewer that your main goal was to keep repeating the word “cult”. It’s such an inflammatory buzz word that I’m sure your goal is to use it as often as you can to scare people away from “Mormonism” without seriously considering our theology and our beliefs. It’s a word used to end or avoid discussion, not to foster it. As a Latter-day Saint I welcome the opportunity to “stand ready to give a reason for the faith that is in me”, but those who sling around the word “cult” with respect to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints seek to cut off debate rather than to encourage dialog. It’s as though they are afraid of an open and honest discussion.

      But following your own definition of “cult” for a moment, I’d like to respectfully submit that:
      Roman Catholicism came 300 years after Jesus Christ.
      Roman Catholicism has its own human leader, the Pope (or Peter if you accept the Catholic claims that he was the first Pope)
      Roman Catholicism has its own set of doctrines (Mariology, transubstantiation, priestly celibacy, veneration of “saints”, indulgences, etc.)
      Roman Catholicism has its own religious books (9 deuterocanonical more than those found in the Protestant Bible – also used in Eastern Orthodox churches)
      And even your own Baptist flavor of Christianity in some ways fits your definition of what makes a cult;
      “Baptistism” came 1609 years after Jesus Christ
      “Baptistism” had its own human leader John Smythe – a Church of England minister (see footnote below from the website of the Baptist History and Heritage Society)
      “Baptistism” had its own unique doctrines, including the “believer’s baptism” of adults.
      “Baptistism” was considered a cult by the “orthodox” or “traditional” or “historic” Christian denominations of the time. In fact Baptists suffered severe persecution from other Christians who believed in the “mainline” doctrine of infant baptism prevalent in that era. Thousands of Baptists were martyred for baptizing adults.
      One of the dictionary definitions of a cult is that is a small isolated group that is out of the mainstream. That certainly does not apply to my church. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the fourth largest religion in America, and the second largest Christian church in Washington, Oregon, and California (after Catholicism). You mentioned that there are 15 million Southern Baptists. By 2012 at the present rate of growth there will be more Latter-day Saints than that.

      Pastor Jeffress, in order to be consistent and truthful you would have to admit that the same definition you’ve used to brand “Mormonism” a cult applies at least in part to Roman Catholicism and “Baptistism” as well. Are you willing to say that on national television? I would hope so. I would hope that you’d want to be totally consistent and

      Thank you for your time. I’m attaching a summary I wrote of what I believe happened to “the faith once delivered to the saints”. There was a great apostacy that fundamentally changed the New Testament church of Jesus Christ into something so different that those Christians at Antioch or Peter or Paul would not have recognized it in
      the Dark Ages that came upon the earth. (Amos 8:12) That apostasy required the “restitution of all things” prophesied in Acts 3:21 to occur before Christ’s return. That restitution or restoration of original Biblical Christianity was what was looked forward to by Roger Williams.

      I testify to you that that restoration has come, and the original Christianity is back on the earth in its fullness as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you would like to investigate these claims I’ll be happy to “bring forth my strong reasons” for “the faith that is in me.” I would welcome a thoughtful dialog.

      Cordially yours,

      Robert Starling
      A Latter-day Christian

      • Don Bergman04-18-12

        Galatians 1:8&9

        • LindaSDF07-31-12

          Mr. Bergman: One thing that always amazes me is how some people seem to think that by throwing out a Bible reference, with nothing else, we LDS (or whoever you are “attacking”) will read it, and just automatically see the error of their ways.
          Most times, I will read the given passage and wonder what you are trying to tell me. But in this case, I think I know what you are saying, and you are taking a passage way out of context.
          If you read ALL of Galatians, you will see that chapter 1, verses 8 and 9 have absolutely nothing to do with any specific denomination. Especially the LDS church.
          BTW, the Bible is what made me see that the LDS church is the most Biblical church. I know that I am right where God wants me.

      • Jacob04-18-12

        Three disciples of Christ church were left on earth to roam according to the Book of Mormon. If the the Book is true, then these three would still have the authority, priesthoods, and gospel of Jesus, and there is no need for Joseph Smith to “restore” anything. He is simply not necessary.
        When you say to read the Book of Mormon, which edition are you referring to. The first 1830 edition, the 1835, that had over 3,900 changes from the first(the most accurate book on earth according to God) or the current editions with the “Black” issue whitewashed. It’s important when asking God which is true. Peter, it’s time and at your age, you should be more able to separate “Myth” from fact. Joseph’s’myth and the Mormon Corporation of the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, has you worshiping in the “great and spacious” conference center twice a year, and the “widow’s mite” being spent on Monson’s new shopping mall. Nothing Christian about any of this.

  6. Don Bergman04-16-12

    … and Mormons are far from being Christian, even though they think they are. These brain-washed people unknowingly worship satan & Mitt Romney is one of them. He is a devout high ‘Bishop’ in the Mormon church and one of it’s top leaders. He has financed & coordinated building of many Mormon Temples across the United States & has perpetuated his faith & riches through millions of his Mormon friends. Here’s something that not many non-Mormons know about… There is a prophesy that the Mormon founder Joseph Smith predicted before he died at the hands of an Illinois lynch-mob back in the mid-1800’s… He predicted that a future Mormon believer would be greater than him & will become a famous leader of this (then) small Country. Through this Mormon’s leadership Mormonism will then become more popular as being the one & only true Christianity faith. This person will then earn the highest level of ‘The great god of Mormon gods’ for Mormons believe there are many gods & that every true Mormon can earn their way to become a god… complete blasphemy!! We know that there’s only ONE, TRUE GOD !!! Could Mitt Romney, who wants the Presidency, be this person Joseph Smith was talking about? Read Gal 1:8&9 where Paul says TWICE: all who preach a gospel to you other than the one true Word of God from which we preach to you, let him be eternally condemned! Unless Mormons change their ways & beliefs to real born-again Christianity, they are doomed to hell… even Mitt Romney!!

  7. lawn04-17-12

    This is the pot calling the kettle black.

  8. Tarl McCallson04-17-12

    This is a very ignorant article. Anyone who has spent more then 10 seconds actually talking to a mormon knows that this is all crap. This whole article is so far off I can’t believe that it is actually posted. For example…. Did you know the real name of the mormon church is “The church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints?” How can they not be christian…. check out to see for yourselves what they believe.

  9. Peter Marlow04-17-12

    One day many years ago, upon finally recognizing the folly of my pride, I quietly chose to believe in the existence of God I knew nothing about – a good, all-powerful and all-knowing God of love. As I then expressed a sincere willingness to commit the rest of my life in humble service to Him, do His will and keep all of His commandments, holding nothing back, He right away sent the Holy Ghost to fill me with His love and prove to me that He lives and loves me with a love beyond mortal understanding. The feelings of peace and happiness He gave me in those moments were wonderful and beautiful beyond my ability to describe.

    As the intensity of that experience subsided and while still alone in my bedroom, I knelt to express my love and gratitude to Him. In that first prayer, I soon found myself hopelessly struggling with a very painful awareness of my fallen state – my unworthiness. I felt the unbearable agony of my sins. But within seconds, God revealed to me that forgiveness of sin is possible through Jesus Christ. Despite the fact that I then knew nothing about Jesus Christ, or even a need for forgiveness, I chose to believe. I sought this forgiveness through Jesus Christ and immediately He took away my guilt and restored my joy. He was only a name, but a name of great hope and happiness.

    Trusting in God and allowing myself to be guided by His Spirit, the next day I started reading the Bible – the first time I had ever touched the book. That led me to want to join a local church – any church. But God told me to wait, that not all churches are true, that He would soon bring the truth to me. Two weeks later, there was a knock on my door. Before I even opened it, He told me these were His messengers. Though I had never seen missionaries before and had never heard of their church, I listened very carefully by His Spirit for truth. His Spirit confirmed the truth of every word they spoke.

    Believing and trusting without doubt in God’s love and in the ability of His Spirit to guide me, I read the Book of Mormon and prayed to Him with faith in the Lord Jesus Christ concerning its truthfulness. And by His trusted Spirit, God revealed the truth of it to me. If I cannot trust God, who shall I trust? The words of men, their opinions, their traditions, their histories, their philosophies, their creeds, their many years of study, their preachers who will only preach for money? I trust in the LORD with all my heart and lean not on my own understanding, nor on the understanding of anyone else. The Lord will not lead me astray!

    So what is Christianity? Perhaps it can be summed up best in this one scripture: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16) I believe in this Jesus Christ, that He is the only begotten Son of the Father, that He was given to us by His Father as a sacrifice for our sins because the Father loves us, and that only by believing in Him do we have eternal life. So, why this need to disparage and mock me? I know God loves me. He allows me, a Mormon, to continually experience – to feel deep within my spirit – the greatness of His love and a very real and joyful forgiveness of my sins through Jesus Christ.

    Who will believe in this Jesus Christ, who was begotten and given by the Father? Who will dare to set aside the words of men and put all their trust in God and allow themselves to be led by His Spirit? The traditional Nicenian Religion – which deceptively calls itself Christianity – teaches men that they cannot rely on the Spirit. It withheld the Bible for many hundreds of years for fear that people might guide themselves by a book. It continues to teach that ordinary individuals cannot trust the Spirit of God for a knowledge of the truth, that only the interpretations of the Bible made by their learned Pharisees should be trusted. They teach men to not trust in God.

    How can Nicenianism be Christianity? In their Nicene Creed – created over 300 years after Christ, not a part of the Bible, but worshipped with equal fervor as the Bible such that those who do not accept it are hated as non-Christian heretics – in this creed, the true nature of the relationship between the Father and the Son is undone. In it, the Father is the Son and the Son is the Father. They are a “Trinity” of “one substance” – words not found in the Bible.

    This is where Nicenianism fails. Instead of believing the true teaching of the Bible (and Book of Mormon) that “God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son,” they wrongly believe that He gave Himself as His Son. Therefore, they cannot understand the true nature of God’s love for His Son and for each of us, also His children. Their inability to believe in the Son as the Son may actually disqualify them from everlasting life.

    What are the fruits of this failure of Nicenianism? The most pernicious fruit is their bigoted intolerance of those who believe differently, the desire to silence them, even by murder. It started with the burnings at the stake by the Catholics, then the Protestants (Why don’t you learn about what John Calvin did to Michael Servetus just for disagreeing with his concept of the Trinity?), and continued even through the past century with the murders of Mormons (and, of course, Blacks, Jews and Catholics) by their Klu Klux Klan, a product of their Nicenian mentality. That bigoted mentality is still evident today in their anger at the LDS Church, their desire to tear down Mormonism on the basis of nothing more than their flawed interpretations of the Bible and their flawed understanding of the teachings of the LDS Church (which they could easily rectify by consulting instead of their wildly misleading sources of misinformation).

    The fruit of true Christianity is love and trust in God, peaceably allowing all to experience the freedom He gives each of us to believe according to the dictates of our own conscience, and to love all as a brother or sister, regardless of what they choose to believe. By their fruits you will know them.

    I testify in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, that I know by the unmistakable power of the Holy Ghost, as sure as I know of my own existence, that Jesus Christ is the Lord, our Savior and Redeemer, that the Bible and the Book of Mormon are both true, and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the work of the Lord, His restoration of His original Christian church, restored by Him through a man He had called as a prophet, Joseph Smith, and led by Christ today through living prophets and apostles. Imagine that!

    Don’t believe because of my words. My words have no power to save. Likewise, don’t turn away because of the words of another (don’t be discouraged by those who teach that you cannot trust God). Seek the word directly from God. If you trust Him and present to Him a loving desire to follow Him and do His will, He will give it to you. And it will be wonderful and beautiful beyond what you can imagine.

    I invite you to read the Book of Mormon and ask God if it is true. Ask with a sincere heart, having faith in Him, and get His unmistakable assurance of its truthfulness. I did that. I got it. I lovingly encourage you to trust God and seek to get it, too. Don’t be afraid. He loves you. He will not lead you astray.

    • Don Bergman04-18-12

      Galations 1:8&9.

    • John Alan05-01-12

      The deity of Christ is either directly stated or alluded to over 100 times in the New Testiment He was crucified for claiming equality with the Father.
      He is pre-existent. All authority in heaven and earth has been granted Him—need I go on?

  10. JL Fuller04-18-12

    There is an awful lot of silly talk above concerning how Mormons view the world. Little of it is accurate, as far as what I read which is not all of it. What Smith said was the CREEDS are an abominaiton. That is, they seperate people rather than bring them together nad THAT is what God abhors. As far as exclusivity goes, Mormons are talking about authority to bind on earth so it is bound in Heaven. That is it. It is known as the priesthood. It is not rocket science but you would think so if you beleived some peiople who it seem prefer to confuse the issue with personal oppinon.s The solutionis to ask the LDS Church not you pastor.

  11. Morris04-18-12

    There are many voices in the world. A great number of those voices are religious, continually competing with one another for people’s attention. According to Scripture, there is only ONE true God, ONE true Spirit of God, ONE true church of God, ONE truth who IS God. Jesus Christ, the only begotten of the Father, clearly stated His knowledge of those who are His own, saying that those the Father has given Him will hear and follow His voice alone, His sheep not following the voice of a stranger. Any number of false religions or opinions and arguments will not change that fact, having learned to know the Lord’s voice when I hear it. If someone doesn’t truly belong to God (by their own choice, of course), there’s simply no telling who and what they will wind up believing and following, including the cult of Mormonism.

  12. Obama1205-01-12

    Thank God we have a real Christian, Obama as a choice.

  13. Exboyracer05-02-12

    OBama will win which would be good for you people in spite of yourselves. If Romney wins it will be fun watching your authoritarian hypocrites stew for four years.

  14. Larry05-02-12

    It is an interesting situation we Christians face….Obahman or Romney.

    First allow me to say it is possible to be a Christian inside the Mormon church. I know of some at this very moment. I live in Salt Lake, not far from

    Riverton Utah. Mormonism is more then a religion it is a culture and it can be very hard to get out of. My wife and myself have been shunned by mormons since

    leaving including family memebers. They way my wife’s mother and sister (former best friend) not only shut her out but flaunt it is very sad. And we are not

    alone. This is truth, this my life and experience.

    I myself was a mormon for over two decades so any talk of what mormons do or do not believe doesn’t work with me. It is true that most mormons don’t know of

    the quotes stated in this article, that is the sad part. The leaders of the church of course know all these statements are true because they are the ones who

    said them. Many of the statements can be found on It’s their for anyone seeking truth. There is nothing false stated in this article. Shaun has a

    really nice well written response that doesn’t adress this article. It’s just a standard, very nice well written talking point. I applogize for being so

    blunt. This disccusion has been very civil and I don’t mean to change that please don’t call me a name caller or whatever. As stated, I went was a mormon for

    over two decades and I know what is taught in that church.

    Here are a couple problems I had that finally allowed me to open myself to God and follow Jesus, not the LDS church or any of it’s leaders.

    First and formost Christianity believes in one God. The mormon church does not and they make that very clear. To go to Heaven, the “Celestial Kingdom” I had

    to be temple worth through my actions not based on what Jesus has done. After leaders such as my bishop decide I am temple worthy I am allow not only to go

    to the temple but get married and sealed to my wife in a ismormon temple. Only then can I truly be with God…..that is what is taught, please don’t deny

    that. After being married and sealed in the temple to my wife I can then later in the next life continue to do good works and eventually have spiritual

    babies and become a God myself. The God taught in the mormon religion himself went through this process on the planet Kolob. If you are a mormon and you do

    not know this you really need to talk talk to your bishop and either be excomunicated or become temple worthy. The point here is that the Mormon church

    beleives in not just in multple Gods but giving it a moments worth of logical though they beleive in an infinite eternity of Gods. More then any pagen

    religion I am familar with.

    Christians beleive in one God. That is a huge difference. It doesn’t matter which denomination or “creed”. They all beleive in one God. Mormons do not.

    The next thing, the thing that really allowed God to to lead me out of Mormonism was when I had doubts and really wanted to know about Jesus Christ. I went

    to church every week and the talk was about “I know this church is true, I know Joseph Smith was a true prophet” etc. Yes they did say as have the mormons

    who have posted here that they beleive in Jesus Christ. That was sacrament meeting. Then we went to Sunday school where we studied the book of mormon for a

    year. There is actually very little about Jesus in the book of mormon. It’s about people who came here before Christ was born. I wanted to talk about and

    know about Christ, not Nephi and Lehi and the other people in the book of mormon. Again, we did talk about Jesus but only partially. I did not get to know

    much about Jesus Christ in Sunday School that year. Then we, the men, the leaders of the mormon church went to our priesthood meeting. Surly this is where I

    would learn about Jesus Christ, after all we were the preisthood holders and Jesus Christ is in the name of our church….(that mormons are Christians

    because of the name of the church is a silly argument at best). We “Priesthood holders spent the year in that meeting reading a book and learning about the

    life of Olivor Cowdry….Not Jesus Christ. I was very very dissapointed and even talked about it with my bishop.

    On that point, the christian church I go to now talks about Jesus Christ non stop every Sunday. The Pastor has made it clear to everyone that we do not need

    him or the church he shares the good news of Jesus Christ at. What need is Jesus Christ and we have that as beleivers, Christ in us. He is alive.
    Finally, I did something very few mormons where doinging and a suprising number have never done. I read the bible. Everyone, and I mean everyone, 100%

    everyone told me to read the book of mormon. Not one person told me to read the bible.

    It was when I read the bible with the one desire to know Jesus Christ that I became a Christian.

    It has changed everything about my life, the way I percieve life and how important Jesus Christ is, not a church or it’s leaders.

    Two more “SMALL” things. Mormons are taught Jesus and Satan are brothers. That is not Christian or biblicle and tends to freek out Christians who have never

    heard it before. And it is taught in the mormone church. Get some mormon missionaries over and ask them if you think I am making this up.

    The other and last thing I will mention. Moromns are taught Jesus payed for our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane. Not on the Cross. Paul is very clear when

    he says more then once, “I teach Christ crucified”. If you are a mormon and non of what I say makes sense or maybe does and has you wondering. Read the books

    of John and Galatians in the New Testament of the Bible and then you will understand.
    So do I as a Christian vote for Romny know what he really beleives and I still haven’t covered it all. If he is a bishop he knows more then the average

    mormon. Or do I vote Obahama. It is an honest concern for me.

    But then it’s not about me. It’s about Jesus Christ.

    I will vote for Romny because I think he can help our country more the Obahma. There is jus know way I can vote for Ohahma and be a part of his policies

    continuing to guide this country. He just showed up in Afganastan. Hours after they found out Afgan terrorist set off a serious of bombs in Kabul.

    Has Obahma ever visited Isreal? He has made himself irrellivant in what Isreal is about to do to defen itself and Obahma’s domestic polocies……I just

    can’t vote for to support them.

    How it all turns out, as always is in Gods hands. Praise God.

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